president obama i think he's discouraging in business. that's my opinion, what does charles have to say. charles: i think it's a little different different in that i think the president is creating a giant welfare state via private enterprise. higher minimum wage, in other words, a little bit to your point, we're going to reward mediocrity. we're going to actually encourage mediocrity, it's not risk, all we're saying, more-- graduate and go through college, even if you have to work through college. apply yourself. it's not about extraordinary risk, it's about patience, and being responsible and diligence, not about levelling the playing field so someone who drops out of school in 10th grade should make the same amount as someone who went through college. he's creating a welfare state and rewarding people for what she should be doing. and the plain old thing, i think is a recipe for disasterer. stuart: we're looking at it from different points, but i think there's fundamental agreement. >> absolutely. stuart: and i saw the tape go by, tesl